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I’d like to start this post with a question. Does the word Telford mean anything to you? What if I told you it was the name of a place? If that still doesn’t ring any bells, what about Rotherham? If neither do, then I’m not surprised, though I might be a little bit concerned. If you do know about one or both of these places then you might understand my concern, but for those who might not have heard, I’ll start the post by explaining why two English towns with populations of around 150,000 (Telford) and around 110,000 (Rotherham) are in the news (or actually not as the case may be.)
The situation in Rotherham came to light first, in 2011. It started with an article in The Times which reported that for decades there had been an organized child sex abuse ring in Rotherham. At around the same time as the article an investigation was launched and in 2014, when the full details came to light they were staggering. Wikipedia has an excellent summary, so I’ll turn it over to them:
In August 2014 the Jay report concluded that an estimated 1,400 children, most of them white girls, had been sexually abused in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013 by predominantly British-Pakistani men. British Asian girls suffered abuse that mirrored that of other victims, but there was a reluctance to report it due to the fear of shame and dishonour it would bring on their families. A "common thread" was that taxi drivers had been picking the children up for sex from care homes and schools. The abuse included gang rape, forcing children to watch rape, dousing them with petrol and threatening to set them on fire, threatening to rape their mothers and younger sisters, and trafficking them to other towns. There were pregnancies—one at age 12—terminations, miscarriages, babies raised by their mothers, and babies removed, causing further trauma.
The failure to address the abuse was attributed to a combination of factors revolving around race, class and gender—contemptuous and sexist attitudes toward the mostly working-class victims; fear that the perpetrators' ethnicity would trigger allegations of racism and damage community relations; the Labour council's reluctance to challenge a Labour-voting ethnic minority; lack of a child-centred focus; a desire to protect the town's reputation; and lack of training and resources.
I don’t know about you, but the numbers and the description of the crimes and the failures by the authorities are all, frankly, nauseating. Though perhaps even more nauseating is the knowledge that the first hints of it came to light in the early 90s, meaning that it went on potentially 20 or more years longer than it needed to. And worse still than all of that, would be if Rotherham wasn’t an isolated or unique example, if it was merely the tip of the iceberg. Unfortunately there’s every reason to believe that this is the case. For example, just a little over a week ago The Daily Mail published an article claiming that the same thing was going on in Telford, and according to the initial report, the situation in Telford might be even worse.
While the opening spiel of an article like this is designed to be as sensational as possible, this one paints an especially horrifying picture:
'Girls must be saved from going through this hell': Call for public inquiry into Telford sex scandal as it emerges up to 1,000 children as young as 11 were drugged, beaten and raped over 40 years
- Gang in Telford, Shropshire, has been sexually abusing teen girls since the 1980s
- Allegations 'have been mishandled by authorities' with attackers left unpunished
- Telford's Tory MP, Lucy Allan, has called for an urgent Rotherham-style inquiry
- Lucy Lowe, 16, was murdered alongside her mother and sister after her abuser set fire to their house. She had given birth to his child at just 14.
In both towns you have organized gangs of men, grooming young girls for sex. While it’s too early in the Telford saga to say that it was exactly the same kind of thing as what happened in Rotherham, I think based on the early reporting, that’s certainly the way the wind is blowing. At this point you may be thinking that two towns does not an epidemic make, that maybe, hopefully these two isolated incidents are all there is, and that maybe when all the facts emerge Telford will end up being not all that similar to Rotherham. Unfortunately, Telford is not the second place it’s happened it’s just the latest place where a child sex abuse ring has been uncovered. Thus far, we have all of the following:
Show of hands on how many people have heard of any of these, to say nothing of all of them? I hadn’t, not until very recently.
I could spend the rest of the post covering the sad facts of each of these scandals, but I’m more interested in what we can say about things generally. And to start with I’d like to talk about the lack of attention paid to these crimes. Hopefully you have at least heard about Rotherham, even if you haven’t heard of Telford or any of the rest. If you have heard of one or more it was probably through a blog like this, or maybe you caught the short mention of Telford in the most recent edition of The Economist. In any event I doubt you heard about these crimes on any of the major news networks (maybe Fox?) And certainly, this epidemic of child sex abuse in England is not part of the what might be considered common cultural knowledge, which is to say someone is far more likely to know something relatively silly, like the fact that UMBC was the first number 16 seed to beat a number 1 seed (which is not to say that wasn’t exciting) or the fact that Khloé Kardashian is pregnant, than they are to know the details of Rotherham, to say nothing of Telford or any of the others. If you have heard about it I’d be interested in where, (feel free to post in the comments) and if you haven’t, well then I assume the lack of coverage is self-evident, but let’s take it a step further and look at the kind of coverage these stories have gotten.
The first question which presents itself: how do you objectively quantify whether something has received too little coverage or too much? And any criticisms on this point are welcome, but one easy way is to just look at the number of search results. Though we still need to establish some kind of baseline for how many search results should be expected. To fill this role, I think I’m going to use MH370, the flight that went missing out of southeast Asia as my baseline. This has the great advantage of being a search term which is unlikely to return any false results. Also it’s widely agreed that it received about the maximum amount of coverage possible. Thus, let’s proceed by rating the amount of attention a news story can receive on a scale of 1-10 with MH370 as a 10. With this idea in place let’s see how Rotherham, the best known of these scandals, does.
- Total number of search results: “MH370” - 13,100,000 “Rotherham” 4,140,000 So just the name of the city with no further filtering is at a 3. If we add children to the search it drops to 955,000 or 0.7 on the scale. Already pretty low, and there’s certainly hits even in the last search that must refer to actual children in Rotherham and not the scandal. (Also I’m aware Google does funny customization on searches, so these may not be the numbers you get.)
- Perhaps our results will be more useful if we just look at results in a specific newspaper, like the New York Times. The search “site:nytimes.com mh370” returns 800 results, and the search “site:nytimes.com rotherham” returns 238 results. Restricting it just by the name of the city is once again a 3 on the scale, if we try and restrict it to just stories about the scandal, then the highest number of hits is “site:nytimes.com rotherham children” (I tried child, grooming, scandal, abuse and rape) with 94 results, or ~1 on the scale. A little bit higher than before, but we still could be getting some extraneous results.
- Still restricting ourselves to the New York Times we could turn to looking at the dates on the stories. If we do this we find that with MH370 we have a couple of stories from 2018 in the first 20 hits, and five from 2017. In the first 20 hits on “rotherham children” the two most recent stories are from 2016, with the vast majority being from 2014. (When the report was released.) Also just in the first 20 hits there are some stories which obviously don’t refer to the scandal, so the 94 from above is almost certainly too high, I’m guessing the 57 from rotherham+abuse is closer, which is once again a 0.7 on the scale.
It’s interesting that the results are consistent from the entire internet to just the New York Times (which is not to say I have anywhere close to a significant amount of data) but even if I had discovered something real, what does it mean?
I imagine (and this will be more important in a minute) that people see what they want to see. That those who want to construct a narrative where Rotherham got plenty of attention will point to the 54 (possibly more) stories which were published by the New York Times and say that was a lot. They might also argue that the reporting on MH370 is a bad comparison precisely because the coverage was so ubiquitous and saturated. (Though one would hope you would see less of that in a sober, respectable paper like the New York Times.) On the other hand those who think the story was criminally under-reported will point to the vast disparity in the two stories, and the lack of anything recent, despite the list of numerous other incidents where essentially exactly the same thing happened, for example, Telford.
Speaking of Telford you may be wondering what the New York Times had to say about the revelation of this most recent child sex abuse ring, if anything. Well unfortunately unlike Rotherham the word “Telford” is used to refer to things other than a town in England. It is, for instance the first name of a Telford Taylor, the principal Nuremberg prosecutor. But I can hardly imagine that you could talk about Telford without mentioning Rotherham, and if you search “site:nytimes.com rotherham telford” there are zero hits. The rest of the scandals I listed above, are mostly similar, the largest number of results I saw was 11, if you add the word “abuse” to cut down extraneous soccer articles (and even then “site:nytimes.com abuse rotherham keighley” is 67% soccer articles, two out of three.)
In any event, if you’re not convinced that reporting on this issue has been lacking, particularly reporting on the obvious pattern of the crimes and scandals, then I’m not sure what else would convince you, so from here out I’m going to assume that we’re on the same page: The epidemic of British child sex abuse rings is under-reported. The next question is, why?
Even if this is the first you’re hearing of things you might be able to guess at least one of the theories. And if you have heard of Rotherham, and the other towns you probably know exactly where I’m going. Many people, most of them on the right, feel that the reason these stories have been under-reported is the same reason why they went on for so long, an excess of political correctness. In nearly all of the towns where these child sex abuse rings existed the perpetrators were ethnically and culturally Pakistani, and in the few cases where ethnicity isn’t mentioned we encounter names like, Sufyan Ziarab or Nasir Khan. In no cases do we have any Bob Smiths, or Oliver Browns involved in the crimes. Accordingly under this theory, police did not investigate these crimes because they were worried about being accused of being racist and of having an anti immigrant bias. Following from that, in a very similar fashion, once the facts did come out, the stories did not receive very much coverage because the largely left-leaning media did not want to provide any more ammunition to people who would use it to support their own racist narratives of immigrants and immigrant crime.
It seems self-evident that on some level something like this was going on, and for many people the smoking gun is the story of when a researcher tried to blow the whistle on things in Rotherham back in 2001:
- “[The researcher] was told she must ‘never, ever’ again refer to the fact that the abusers were predominantly Asian men.”
- “...the [Rotherham] council tried unsuccessfully to sack the researcher after she resisted pressure to change her findings.”
- “Data to back up the report's findings also went missing”
- Finally, the most ridiculous part of the whole exercise for most people, was when the research was booked into “a two-day ethnicity and diversity course to raise [her] awareness of ethnic issues.”
The question is not whether political correctness and race played a part in ignoring the problem for decades, the question is how much of a part it played. Or to phrase it a different way, how much would the lack of political correctness and racial (over) sensitivity have sped up the revelation of the crimes? Those who take the report I just mentioned at face value will instantly respond that it would have sped it up by at least a decade (2001 as opposed to 2011) perhaps more. But even if you disagree with the figure of a decade, if your answer is not zero, that it wouldn’t have sped up discovery at all. Then you’re admitting some harm came from the ideology of political correctness. It then follows that the only justification is if political correctness and the associated ideology brought some extreme benefit which counterbalanced the extreme harm.
Believe me, I understand that everything is a trade-off, and I suppose an argument could be made in this vein. Perhaps in order to have a society where these child sex abuse rings didn’t happen would require a society that is so racist that horrible racially motivated crimes would have occurred which would have been objectively worse than the systemic and repeated rape and abuse of thousands of girls, some of which, I’ll remind you, were as young as 11. I have to say, I have a hard time imagining what horrible racially motivated crimes would have taken place in 1980s England without political correctness, and I have an even harder time accepting that they would be so bad as to balance out what actually did happen.
I guess if a lack of political correctness would have only hastened discovery by a few days, or a month, then perhaps. But we have prima facie evidence that it would have hastened things by a decade, and at anything close to that amount of time, I can’t see any potential way in which the benefits of political correctness outway the harms.
Which means that basically the only way to not place the blame on political correctness is for it to have made no difference, and to be fair, there are some people who argue exactly that. That political correctness and everything under that umbrella had no effect in Rotherham. That for whatever reason police and the authorities are always slow about researching the sex abuse of children. And political correctness has nothing to do with it. An example of this argument:
If someone says “in Rotherham the police ignored evidence that these people were assaulting children, for politically motivated reasons”, then if I’m responsible I will go check how often the police ignore evidence that people are assaulting children for absolutely no reason at all and eventually I will probably conclude that police just frequently ignore evidence of serious crimes.
I have encountered communities where everyone constantly talked at Rotherham in exhausting detail but they had absolutely no idea about any of the other cases I mentioned.
I mean that. They just had no idea. You ask them “can you name a csa case where there isn’t evidence that the police could have acted ten years sooner than they did?” and they are genuinely surprised that in the case of Larry Nassar, in the case of Jerry Sandusky, in the case of Jimmy Saville, in the case of Catholic clergy, the police could have acted ten years earlier and didn’t. They’ve heard about Rotherham, and only Rotherham, and because their sources were so carefully selective in which horrible things they let their readers learn of, the readers end up thinking that something uniquely [sic] went wrong in Rotherham, instead of realizing that police just don’t actually typically do anything about evidence of sexual abuse of children until years and sometimes decades after they could have.
This is an interesting, and on the face of it, powerful rebuttal, so let’s consider it for a moment. To begin with, every one of the people he mentioned was in a position of power, and all of the abuse happened, and continued for as long as it did, because the perpetrators used that power to not only enable the abuse but also to avoid being held accountable for it. Thus I would argue that police do not wait for “years and sometimes decades” to act in all child sex abuse cases, but rather that this wait only occurs in cases involving powerful individuals. If this is not true, can anyone point to a similar csa case not involving powerful individuals which also had a very long gap between the first evidence and the actual public revelation? You may be tempted to immediately reply “Rotherham”, but hold off on that for a second. You may also be tempted to ask for any example where the police did not wait. There is a very well known example of this, which I’ve already mentioned in this space. An example where not only did the police and authorities act immediately, they acted in advance of actual information, and in fact went so far as to manufacture evidence. I refer of course to the Day-car sex abuse hysteria of the 80s.
As far as I can tell, the big difference in this situation is that the daycare owners had very little power. Leading me to again suggest that power is the critical component. But what does this refinement suggest about Rotherham and the rest?
It suggests that the Rotherham perpetrators were in a position of power. You might think this is a ludicrous assertion, but it is precisely what those who complain about Rotherham, those “communities where everyone [is] constantly [talking about] Rotherham in exhausting detail” are saying. That the reason Rotherham went on for so long is that the perpetrators had power, they had power based on their status as a racial minority. That when one of the abusers told one of the victims that he would not hesitate to use the “race card” if the police tried to take action, that he was threatening to use that power. The same way Nassar used his power as a famous doctor, the same way Sandusky used the power of Penn State football, and the same way Weinstein used his power as a famous producer. Most people can’t imagine that minorities would have the same kind of power, but I would argue that this is exactly what was going on in Rotherham and the rest of the cities. This is also part of the reason why there has been less reporting than one might expect. It’s simply dangerous to criticize the powerful.
Beyond this I’m not sure what else to say. To be honest the stories are almost too terrible to contemplate, too terrible to process. Particularly if they end up being exactly what they appear to be. Irrefutable proof that cultural sensitivity and tolerance have gone too far, and at terrible cost. But here at the end I just have one question. This list of ten towns, is it the end, or the beginning?
Few thoughts:
ReplyDelete1. It's the UK, not US. You can't expect it to be as high in US based media. For example, I suspect more Americans heard stories about Catholic sex abuse in Boston and Chicago but fact is there was a much larger abuse case in Ireland that went on for a lot longer (even spawned a movie I believe) but again that's 'overseas' and here is here.
2. MH370 had several things going for it. First it was an airplane story. Elites around the world take airplanes and anything related to an airline crash gets a lot of attention (air travel is super safe because attention has striven to approach a six sigma level of nothing going wrong...at least in regards to major crashes) . Second it was an ongoing mystery hence generated ongoing headlines about the search, theories of what happened, lone 'signals' that might help pinpoint where the plane went etc.
3. A possibility you ignore is the lag in cultural assimilation. New ethnic communities often appear mysterious to the old guard and outside their field of vision. It's not surprising that they often bring both innovations and crime rings to a society. Think Godfather II, the Italian community was abused by the establishment BUT it's criminal elements could operate under a degree of cover. They had connections from the old country the Irish dominated police didn't understand and their own language. It would take years for Italians to integrate into police departments and the Mafia's power to be broken.
4. Predators of children have shown themselves to be remarkably good at manipulating any and all weak spots in society. Sometimes they do it from the top of society (respected priest, judge, leader) or sometimes the bottom (janitor, taxicab driver, people we see everyday but are easy to invisible to us).
5. "Call for public inquiry into Telford sex scandal as it emerges up to 1,000 children as young as 11 were drugged, beaten and raped over 40 years" Telford has a population of 170,000. 1000 children abused over 40 years amounts to 25 children a year. Is that a lot? Sadly not really. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3518746/ indicates maybe as much as 16% of men and 25% of women experienced some type of underage sex abuse. Here if you're a UK Tabloid you can easily make a short memo on how to "make your own Child Sex Scandal". Dig and find a bunch of examples that were ignored and tie them all together by some common factor. Even if 25% is too high, fact is there's nowhere that lacks child sex abuse that didn't get reported or prosecuted in a timely manner. We know from the 'Satanic Abuse panic' and 'recovered memories' fiasco's in the 80's and 90's that the media can both under and over report child sex abuse.
6. That being said I do agree political correctness is a valid factor to consider here. Your power argument, though, does seem a bit over the top. Are Pakistani cab drivers really a hidden political power base in UK politics? You'd think they could at least have kept Uber out of the country. Might some abusers have claimed they would 'cry racism' should anyone try to prosecute them? Sure, there are black people in the US who also say they will accuse racism should the criminal justice system go after them, do you want to look at the numbers to see how effective that is? Don't even look at incarceration rates overall but look at rates for blacks and whites convicted of the same crime and tell me how effective accusing the system of racism is?
I found the SSC review of the question of race and justice fascinating: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/25/race-and-justice-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ Basically, sentencing appears to possibly be racially biased, but it's hard to find good evidence of bias elsewhere.
DeleteBut as you say, this is US vs. UK, and it's immigrants vs. established minority group. It's probably different.
I'm unconvinced by the hidden power argument. I suspect there's a more human and multi-factor explanation that covers multiple types of CSA scandals.
First, I don't think ideology keeps people from saying, "There's clear evidence that the people over here are abusing children. Let's ignore these heinous crimes that are nigh incomprehensible." I think what happened in England was something closer to:
1. "We keep seeing cases where people of the same ethnic group are involved in the same type of crime. There could be a pattern here, but I believe any exercise that's engaged in finding patterns (especially criminal) as associated with race as bare racism. It is therefore my duty to specifically ignore race, as a bulwark against racism. People don't commit crimes because of their race." But of course criminals form communities of close associates, so thinking like this will make you miss obvious signs there is a crime ring.
2. "These immigrants support political causes I agree with. Or at least they will vote (those able to do so) for candidates and parties I support. In arguments I refer to their plight. I therefore see them as on 'my side', and I know people on my side don't systematically do wrong things. That's the kind of thing I believe about the 'other side'. Except people on both sides do bad stuff. And they do it more in front of people from their side because they know they will be treated less critically. CF Utah as one of the most gullible states, because Mormons trust 'a former bishop' who swears this isn't a Ponzi scheme, even though it may look like one.
3. Not sure how it is in the UK, but journalism in the US is heavily guided by the Left-leaning bias of the profession. Again, I don't think it takes specific intent to not cover horrific stories like these. I think it takes a lot of work to uncover this kind of story in the first place, and if you perceive a group of people as being on your side you will put less effort into digging.
Compare to the Catholic abuse cases. They don't appear to be covered up by media, which fits the in/outgroup narrative above. But other Catholics participated in cover up before the story got big, for similar reasons as above. And after the story broke every new revelation was treated by my conservative friends as unjustified piling on, or a McCarthy-style witch hunt by biased reports trying to attack religion.
This is the worst thing about ideology. It blinds you. Sometimes it blinds you to the most awful things humanity can do, such that you're powerless to stop it. Because you can't stop what you can't see.
Amazingly, you can only see what the other side does wrong, and you lose all credibility once you do. For example, the Clinton and Trump sex scandals. Same thing, treated in mirror opposite ways based on party affiliation.
From what I understand the UK actually has a rather active right wing tabloid based press....one which loves the shocking story ("Dirty foreigner molests local sweet girl!"). This isn't anything new either. The media has often gone through periods of hysterical stories about about foreigners and minorities corrupting white girls. There will be examples of this to pull from since trafficking is something criminal groups engage in, especially ones that come from migrant communities. Godfather I again, the Don more or less says in the big meeting is he facilitates brothels and gambling but doesn't want to get into drugs. Immigrants do indeed take the jobs we want done but don't want to do ourselves.
DeleteBut I'm also not really convinced this is a thing. As I said, 1,000 cases over 40 years is actually not that much, especially if we have rates of abuse that have gone as high as 25% of children. Of course those who raised an alarm were meet with resistance. Because the default position has been to not push such cases unless there was some other motivation at play (such as a messy divorce). Think about Roman Polanski. One gets the sense listening to the small number of aging defenders, that their underlying beef is what they see as selective prosecution where the judge and/or prosecutor decided to go after him because he didn't like him personally, or he didn't like actors, or because he wanted to make a name for himself etc. Whatever the underlying cause of the bias the underlying truth seemed to be what Polanski did was akin to smoking pot. Do some people end up serving years for that? Yes but that doesn't feel right.
So here I think you have less a power play and more the default. Why trash Pakistani men? Because you don't like Pakistanis. If they did abuse 1000 girls over 40 years in a city, they are but a fraction of the abuse that happened if rates of 25% are even half true. Are you sure you aren't doing what Trump does with terrorism (whenever it's an immigrant or Muslim it's terrorism, when it's anyone else it's a "troubled young man")?
Maybe I should post on a different day so I have more time to respond to the comments. I'll try and hit some of the highlights. Starting with the first:
Delete1- I don't know how much of a difference UK vs. US is going to make in terms of the news. For one thing Google is pretty international, and for another by baseline was a story out of southeast asia... But I agree it could make some difference.
2- I said in the post that MH370 was over exposed, and so I never expected coverage to be equal, but it appears that 0.7 is the best estimate, and that probably includes some false hits which means it was at least an order of magnitude different.
3- Assimilation is a big part of this I agree, so big that I couldn't cover it, but if I were to talk about it I think my point would be that ethnic minorities are assimilating more slowly remember Pakistanis have been in the UK in numbers since the 50s...
4- Perhaps they're adept at it, but I think "Western" society is worse at protecting against it, particularly in the form it took here. Which is another subject would could be covered in some length.
5- I think here and later you seem to want to conflate all sex abuse with the sex abuse which has particularly been laid at the feet of these grooming gangs. My sense is that when they did the Rotherham investigation the number the arrived at wasn't a full number for the whole city, but the number that could be directly attributed to this particular methodology. Have you seen anything to indicate that this number was designed to be comprehensive?
6- I would agree that the way this "power" is being exercised is atypical, but I definitely think it's power of a sort. And that there's something to be gained from approaching it and attempting to understand it from that angle.
Comment #2:
I also liked the SSC article you mentioned and I've been re-reading his 2014 post so I re-read it recently and in part I think it inspired this.
Interesting that no one buys the power argument. As I just said it's not exactly the same but I think it's similar. Another example micro-aggressions have always existed, but up until very recently they were limited to those with considerable power. You had to say sir when talking to your elders, you had to call the Queen by the right title, you couldn't speak unless spoken too, all sorts of tiny behaviors that were otherwise unobjectionable but which became enormous faux pas in the right context. And now we have them again, but they all exist in our interaction with persecuted minorities... I continue to think there's something there.
As far as being blinded, I totally agree, and I think, speaking of SSC and 2014 articles this one was great on that subject: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/10/16/five-case-studies-on-politicization/ I was going to link to it but I ran out of space.
#3 comment
I think I mostly covered this, but I'm very interested in any other stories of organized groups of sexual abusers. Obviously as you say we have a narrative and we can find lots of things that fit that narrative (if we look) but where are the things that falsify this narrative. The one guy I linked to thought he had done it by point out all CSA cases take forever, which I attempted to falsify with the day care story, but what other examples are there?
I think we covered MH370. It not only was an ongoing mystery but also an international flight so media around the world had the mystery to report, the science, the conspiracy and other theories, as well as the local angle of people from their nation who were among the passengers. I'm not sure it was over covered but by it's nature it was a story that went far beyond the nation it happened in.
ReplyDelete#3 - I'm not sure Pakistanis are assimiliating slower in the UK than previous times (then again I don't think we have any way to measure assimiliation). They might have been in the UK since the 50's but that's 70 years. When did Italians come to the US? The late 1800's yet the mafia was big in the 1950's, 60's and even 70's.
"My sense is that when they did the Rotherham investigation the number the arrived at wasn't a full number for the whole city, but the number that could be directly attributed to this particular methodology."
But what exactly are we measuring? If overall abuse rates are to the tune of double digit percentages there will be enough abuse cases to fit any narrative you please. Want to do a story about well beloved celebrities who abused kids? There will be cases. Upper class politicians? Lower class ones? Gypsies, immigrants, the working class, coal miners....is this Pakistani story an exception or simply an exceptional narrative?
"Obviously as you say we have a narrative and we can find lots of things that fit that narrative (if we look) but where are the things that falsify this narrative. "
Did you try to find the incarceration rate of Pakistani men in the UK? Clearly if there was some type of power thing going on with them they should be able to avoid getting in trouble with the law. I suspect what might be going on isn't quite power. I suspect what it is has more to do with a lack of assimiliation on the other side. To non-Pakastani UK citizens, Pakistani's are invisible....they 'look the same', 'have confusing names' etc. They see them as people they enter into brief transactional relationships with (taxi cab, coffee kiosk, etc.) but are otherwise non-entities in their world. This might provide criminals a bit of an edge. If 'Father Brown' molests you, everyone knows who he is, where he is and who he is connected too. If 'Pakistani man' grabs you in a blind alley, well unless he's caught that moment he will become invisible to the community and law enforcement. Of course the immigrant community does have a slight edge in that they know both their own community as well as the dominant culture allowing them to forge relationships but also fall back on the connections that are mostly invisible to outsiders shoudl the need arise (see Godfather, yet again, the family worked with newspapermen, police, judges but when Michael killed the police chief he was able to hide back in Italy, invisible to non-Italian law and the public).
Interestingly dominant cultures have a love hate relationship with the 'invisible one'. On the one hand they love to use them for goods and services (legal and not) but on the flip side they feel vulnerable to their 'anonymous' nature.
I think the "invisible man" hypothesis is a just-so story that could easily be told in the reverse direction.
DeleteIf it's Father Brown, he's too respected for the public to believe he could do anything bad, despite credible evidence against him. Meanwhile, an ethnic group looks the same to people from the outside, so whenever someone from that ethnic group (or even a similar-looking group; my Iranian friend detests when people think she's Hispanic) does anything the whole group gets blamed and attacked for it. In the US this started with the American Indians and has applied to every ethnic group since.
Maybe something has changed in modern times, such that ethnic outgroups are now treated the opposite of how they have historically been treated, but if we accept that we need to explain it. Perhaps people still treat "the other" in typical outgroup fashion, but now instead of attacking/denegrading they ignore. I guess that's progress? Except when it allows organized crime.
25% experiencing unwanted sexual abuse is entirely dependent on how this is defined. I've been burned too often by these journal articles creating over broad definitions for shock value. If one in four girls is forcibly raped before graduating high school it seems to me we're on the verge of societal collapse. Either that, or we should be taking to the streets. Sorry, I just don't buy it. And if it's something less than that, it's not close enough to establish a baseline around. "25% of girls have their but pinched by perv teenage boys, so I guess those multiple small towns where hundreds of girls were forced into sex slavery is put in context" just doesn't work. How many girls were sex slaves in these same small towns outside the crime rings? Are other small towns plagued with similar rates of sex trafficking, but these ones just had all the traffickers conveniently organized into the same criminal network? Are there similar rates in cities? The 25% number doesn't help answer these questions, and I understand it's an attempt to establish a baseline, but I think it has distracting instead.
The plane crash was also supposed to be an attempt to establish a reference point. I think we can admit it wasn't the best metric, and this is a blog, not a peer-reviewed reviewed journal. If you don't like the metric, propose a different one and run the analysis again. The point was that the are big crime rings in small towns, and the press doesn't seem to care. Maybe there are lots of stories that should make big news on all sorts of topics. With the billions of people there are on Earth there should be huge stories generated every day that should be international headlines. Yet the news still gets "slow news days" and endlessly covers the latest inane, meaningless presidential tweet. I don't know at what point, "this should have been news" becomes an indictment of the media versus expected routine overlooking by mere humans. The spectrum probably spans from Rowandan genocide to local alien abduction claim. I don't know where "multiple, probably unrelated criminal sex trafficking rings in small town UK" fits on that spectrum. I suspect it's somewhere after "mild concern about non-existent coverage" but before "outrage and protest".
Well if we are talking about sexual abuse of children we should include not only forcible rape but also 'consensual' sex between adults and underage minors. I agree, though, we should consider sexual abuse between minors apart from this.
DeleteSo what % of the population or % of females report having experienced sexual abuse by adults from when they were minors? If it is 5% and you are talking a town of about 170,000 and a time span of 40 years then 1,000 cases is but the tip of the iceberg.
And what % of these cases are girls forcibly raped, kidnapped and forced into 'sex slavery'? Are we talking one or two very dramatic cases sitting on top of many more more mundane cases of one-off sexual assault or pressure/grooming into prostitution or abusive relationships?
" If you don't like the metric, propose a different one and run the analysis again. The point was that the are big crime rings in small towns, and the press doesn't seem to care"
Recently heard a podcast about an obscure bill to make Utah a 'consensual recording' state. Very obscure but some states have one party consent and others have two...that's why when you call 800 numbers you get that "this call may be recorded" warning. The company is covered in case you're calling from a two party state. The obscure bill was proposed but then withdrawn after a minor uproar. What was up with that?
Apparently there's a Mormon ritual somewhat akin to Catholic Confession where a teenager meets one-on-one with their local Bishop. Unlike Confession, the Bishop conducts a very probing interview...often directly asking for very personal details about things like masturbation and sexual habits. Needless to say, this type of thing couldn't be a more opportune environment for a predator...so some have taken to secretly recording these sessions and exposing cases of abuse or things going to far. The aborted attempt to make Utah 2 party recording might have been a clumsy attempt to put a stop to such recordings.
On national coverage I'd rate it pretty much a zero. Fast google search seems to show it only hit the level of state news reporting. I only heard about it because I listen to atheist blogs where church abuse (and questioning the validity of the LDS) is a staple of their focus. Did Fox News cover it? But I bet they had at least a little time to cover "Immigrant run sex dungeons in the UK".